Are we not Democrats?

I have been a Democrat since I was nine years old.

My Grandfather (God Rest His Soul) indoctrinated me while my Republican parents were on a business trip, a business my Grandfather passed down to his son-in-law, my Republican father.

He told me about how he was a milkman during the Great Depression, and about how a man named Franklin Delano Roosevelt brought this nation out of it's misery and made it great again.

His daughter, my aunt, told me first-hand stories of sit-in's in the late-60's at the University of Wisconsin-Madison where she was tear-gassed for speaking out against the War in Vietnam.
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I have been a Democrat since I was nine years old. My Grandfather (God Rest His Soul) indoctrinated me while my Republican parents were on a business trip, a business my Grandfather passed down to his son-in-law, my Republican father.

He told me about how he was a milkman during the Great Depression, and about how a man named Franklin Delano Roosevelt brought this nation out of it's misery and made it great again.

His daughter, my aunt, told me first-hand stories of sit-in's in the late-60's at the University of Wisconsin-Madison where she was tear-gassed for speaking out against the War in Vietnam.

These are our ancestors as Progressives, as members of the Democratic Party.  I am proud to be a card-carrying member of this party.

Yet today, when our party should be poised to quite easily take back the reins of the Executive Branch, I see a party divided.  Not on principle, but in regard to whom shall be our standard bearer as our candidate for the Presidency.

We have two great potential candidates, both of whom should make us proud should our party choose them as our nominee.  One of them happens to be a woman, which would make for an historic appointment in and of itself.  

Another happens to be an African-American with adolescent roots in Indonesia, and in the interests of full disclosure, happens to be the candidate I prefer in this primary/caucus process.

That having been said, I think this divisive nonsense within OUR party needs to stop NOW!  We are all Democrats, and when it's all said and done, the candidates we prefer do not differ greatly in regard to the issues we all care about the most.

We all agree that the war in Iraq has been unnecessary, poorly planned, and that an immediate exit strategy that takes into account the security of the Iraqi people is of the utmost importance.

We all agree that there is a serious national health care crisis, and that people that cannot afford to buy in to the current system need to be able to do so.

We all agree that reliance on petroleum-based energy is not only going to hurt us environmentally, but economically as well.

There are many ideals which many of us agree upon, yet we have been divided by which candidate for President we happen to prefer.

This has caused a large contingent of us in the "blogosphere" to revolt against one another.

This will only work against us.  In Sun-Tzu's "The Art of War," seemingly the most certain path to victory is to "divide and conquer."

Let's not let this apparent division work against us.  We all have the same goals as Democrats, yet we may have a different candidate which we feel represents our means for reaching those goals.

I personally find that one candidate meets these goals we share more than the other.  However, should my candidate not be the nominee of my party, the Democratic Party, I will still stand up and vote for him or her proudly, as they represent the ideals and principles for which I stand.

I propose that we set aside our differences and support whomever happens to be the candidate of our party.

After all, are we not Democrats?



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Re: Are we not Democrats? (none / 0)

The manner in which a candidate wins is every bit as important as the positions taken.

For that reason, I reserve judgement on how I will react to whomsoever becomes our nominee.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 08:23:46 AM EST

Re: Are we not Democrats? (none / 0)

Walt, you know I'm backing Obama - but the time for judging "how" you win is in the latter part of the primary. McCain has positioned himself as the heir to Bush's legacy. We cannot lose. If Hillary is the nominee, a choice between her and McCain is an easy choice. Bush's heir doesn't deserve the time of day, let alone the highest office in the land.


by mattw on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 11:35:51 AM EST
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Re: Are we not Democrats? (2.00 / 1)

I agree. But what is happening is the group that is calling themselves 'Progressives' headed by Kos, is determined to destroy the status quo Democratic party. They think that by electing all new people is going to solve all the problems. They naively don't seem to realize that people/politicians are just one person and will still have to butt heads with the corporations. Their progress will be just as slow if not slower for years to come. The only big change that will help immediately is for term limits which will stop a lot of the corruption in congress.

The enemy is the Corporations. Not Hillary or Obama. But the progressives believe that because Obama is New he'll somehow miraculously fix everything, while the Hillary supporters recognise that Hillary is more progressive and the real fighter, but because of the old name of Clinton, she is frowned upon.

The Democrats, call us status quo if you must, are not in-fighting, It is the Democrats vs the Progressives.


Honesty is always the best Policy. Go Hillary Go!
by roseeriter on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 08:24:46 AM EST

Re: Are we not Democrats? (none / 0)

When you start arguing on the lines of "they don't see" and "but we see", it sounds kind of cultish. Apart from that, both Clinton and Obama would be better than McCain.


by marcotom on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 08:51:03 AM EST
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Re: Are we not Democrats? (2.00 / 2)

 
 I`m sorry but BO does not represent my values. I don`t now, nor never will, blindly follow ANYONE like lemmings to the sea. Pols will always take advantage of us if they can package us into neat little demographic packages. Think for yourselves, it will screw up their plans and the talking heads will have their heads explode.
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by gunner on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 08:26:14 AM EST

Re: Are we not Democrats? (none / 0)

What are your values then? 100 years of war, a conservative supreme court? Or are you just angry that your candidate doesn't win!


by marcotom on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 08:52:05 AM EST
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obscure reference? (none / 0)

Is this the reference?

Erle C. Kenton's 1933 horror film Island of Lost Souls, which was based on H. G. Wells' novel The Island of Dr Moreau. In the 1933 film, a mad scientist performs operations on wild beasts in order to make them more human and able to undertake menial tasks. When the beasts acted in an inappropriate manner the scientist Dr. Moreau would crack his whip and challenge the beasts:

   Dr. Moreau: What is the law?
    Sayer of the Law: Not to eat meat, that is the law. Are we not men?
    Beasts (in unison): Are we not men?
    Dr. Moreau: What is the law?
    Sayer of the Law: Not to go on all fours, that is the law. Are we not men?
    Beasts (in unison): Are we not men?
    Dr. Moreau: What is the law?
    Sayer of the Law: Not to spill blood, that is the law. Are we not men?
    Beasts (in unison): Are we not men?


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by architek on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 03:43:06 PM EST
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your values? (none / 0)

so, do scalia, thomas, roberts, and alito represent your values??

the next president likely gets to pick 2 more supreme court justices to replace ginsburg and stevens.

you better do some quick research if the answer isn't obvious to you already; you do NOT want a republican, especially one who's all but begging the hard-right to really trust in his conservative credentials, to pick the next 2 justices.

if he does, watch your "values" get trampled, and watch the destruction of the bush years extend for another 3-4 decades.

for all hardcore obama supporters AND hardcore clinton supporters....pull your heads out of the sand, get some perspective. we're all on the same team.


James
by james c on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 09:34:20 AM EST
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Values (none / 0)

Obama and Clinton share almost identical values.  If these values don't resonate with you then you should consider another party (or, I would prefer, reconsider your values).


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 03:14:36 PM EST
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Re: Are we not Democrats? (none / 0)

Yes we are. That is why we must deplore the scorched Earth tactic of the Clinton Campaign. To suggest that McCain will be a better President than Obama while the Democratic candidate has not yet been chosen is to betray the Party. Hillary Clinton is triangulating her way to the Presidency.

The Clintons' time has come and gone.


by LibDem on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 08:30:58 AM EST

Re: Are we not Democrats? (none / 0)

I think Hillary Clinton missed her time, which was 2004.

Had she run for the nomination then, she would have taken it hands down, she would ahve cleaned Bush's clock, and she would be running for re-election today (as well as would have been expected to be re-elected easily).

As a side note, had she recognized when she should have run, Barack Obama would have been a footnote of Senate history.

She would ahve been hailed as savior to the world, and rightly so.

Only Hillary Clinton could have defeated George W. Bush in 2004. I wanted it so much and was greatly disappointed when she chose not to run.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 08:49:20 AM EST
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Re: Are we not Democrats? (none / 0)

Her time has come and gone. Only she will not bow out graciously.


by LibDem on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 09:51:48 AM EST
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What about Obama's time? (none / 0)

I think Obama has been so slow to respond to so many of the questions people have been putting to him, especially about healthcare (like what his definition of 'affordable' is!)

That and his deceptive ways of responding to things like the Rezko issue, (and his lies about his financing) make him damaged goods..


http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Ep isode.aspx?sched=1242
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by architek on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 01:31:10 PM EST
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Also lack of experience (none / 0)

People frequently compare him to JFK, but JFK had six years in the House and eight years in the Senate before running for President. That was quite an impressive record for someone who was 43.

Obama just doesn't compare.

There have been a lot of irregularities too, like the crossover Republican votes.

I realize that those are subjective things, but to people like me they are important. He doesn't have my trust yet. He might, but it would take a lot more time. Aso, given the last few elections, I think we need to be on our guard for groups that would be extremely glad to subvert the entire Democratic process. I don't think Obama is involved with that, but I do see the GOP as building him up to knock him down, so to speak.

He is naive if he doesn't see that but he may think he can ride it to the nomination. That may be true but the Democratic party would be making a big mistake to allow it to happen.

That said, I think its quite possible, that if elected he might be an exemplary President. But that 'might' is not enough of a sure thing for me in these trouble times.

I would rather have Hillary be our candidate, and then at least we know what side we are on..

Do you know what I mean?

Please look at Obama's platform. It's got a lot of good in it but I think he needs to make more of a COMMITMENT to things like universal healthcare and lay out a path between here and there that does not have major gatchas in it like his current one (Hillary's does too, but less so.. hers COULD happen.. because of the mandate, which avoids adverse selection)

Its a complicated issue but if you Google 'adverse selection' you'll find discussions on it. And why letting people opt out will KILL the affordable part of universal healthcare..

What good is healthcare you 'can' buy IF IT IS, say $2000/month?  Or more?

Thats the BIG GOTCHA in Obama's healthcare 'plan'

Many states already have pools that are just like Obama's healthcare 'plan' and they are NOT AFFORDABLE to most people. You can't do it.. Its been tried.. it fails because the younger and healthy people don't buy it, even though its cheap for them, making it very expensive for the people who HAVE to buy it.


http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Ep isode.aspx?sched=1242
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by architek on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 04:02:27 PM EST
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Re: Also lack of experience (none / 0)

All the Democrats who lost as President had great platforms. Mondale the best of all. You also need the personality skills (empathy for one) to get elected and liked beyond your core constituency. Bill Clinton had a roguish charm that got him far. Hillary Clinton may have a good fourteen point plan for everything, but even most people who vote for her don't really like her. That is why she is losing, in spite of so many initial advantages.

I appreciate the work you put into the comment; all the details are impressive.


by LibDem on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 09:12:18 PM EST
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Re: What about Obama's time? (none / 0)

His time is now. With Hillary Clinton as his Secretary of HUD he will push through  a Democratic Health care plan. He will have the coat-tails to elect a working Congressional majority. No triangulation needed.


by LibDem on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 09:06:10 PM EST
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Re: Are we not Democrats? (none / 0)

Gunner -

Please tell me how John McCain represents your values.

I understand that Hillary may be your candidate of choice, but if you look at things objectively, are you really more simpatico with McCain than Obama?

Does it really piss you off that much that you'd rather have Captain "Keating Five" than Obama?


by doschi on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 08:31:36 AM EST

Re: Are we not Democrats? (none / 0)

 I don`t support Mccain and I believe she was doing that to BO to get under his skin. Quite a game these pols play. Look, we will never have a perfect candidate. The best we can do is look at the current crop and apply our own personal standards when choosing one. Hillary just happens to meet more of criteria. Most of what I comment on here is just for comic relief.


Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 08:44:09 AM EST
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Re: Are we not Democrats? (2.00 / 1)

I want Hillary.  I don't want someone with the views of Rev Wright. Someone who thinks they can just sit on a one on one interview and read talking points to explain his position.  In the fall the GOP are going to come after him and what is the little boy going to do. Do you really want this?  Do you want the world to see we've went from Chenny to Rev Wright.  Good Grief. Thats like biting of your nose to spite your face


by bradydundee on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 09:38:42 AM EST
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Re: Are we not Democrats? (none / 0)

And you think calling a 46 year old Senator `little boy' is not racist.


by LibDem on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 09:52:32 AM EST
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Re: Are we not Democrats? (none / 0)

Little boy? Oh wow, there you go.

If Obama's denunciation of Wright's views is not enough for you, you should try the Repub party anyways. While you can argue that he will be attacked from neocons on this, you seem to embrace their talking points one-by-one. Fuck off.


by marcotom on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 10:40:44 AM EST
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Re: Are we not Democrats? (none / 0)

I am not one for purity, but someone who will call a 46 year old United States Senator, father of two, "little boy" is not one I want to be associated with in any way. I Reject AND Denounce this comment.

And I thought President Clinton was the one who  gets in trouble for his "little boy".


by LibDem on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 09:02:00 PM EST
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Yup... (none / 0)

posted a similar sentiment last night on the need to reconcile.

OT - just fix your formatting a little - this is a great diary :-)


by grannyhelen on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 10:04:30 AM EST

Re: Are we not Democrats? (2.00 / 1)

I am in Walt Starr's camp.  I want to wait and see what happens.  I am no longer a "Team" player but for one individual (Hillary) and if that individual is NOT the winner, then I may no longer be a democrat.

I was kicked off this site for saying that once before, I don't want that to happen again, because I should be able to voice my opinion.

But there is NOTHING in me that will allow me to check off Barack Obama's name on a ballot unless it is for VP under Hillary Clinton.

BTW, I too have been (currently am) a lifelong democrat, so this is particularly painful for me.

But I'm way, way too in this for Hillary to give up.

I simply can't stand Obama any more.


by nikkid on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 01:01:51 PM EST


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